PanoTools:
Re: New PanoTools list moderator
Steven Dowd 2005-Mar-18 10:42:56
Kevin,
I deleted the poll that I started on the question of whether the yahoo
egroup should be deleted and moved to the panotools.info website,
It was deleted with the results showing:
7% Yes, close the yahoo panotools egroup and move to panotools.info
93% NO, do not move the panotools egroup, stay as now at yahoo
70 people had voted in the less than 24 hrs it was running.
Personally I think John has taken the recent comments and postings as an
attack on his setting up the panotools.info website, but to be honest i
havn't seen one such post. What seems to have upset most of the people who
made comments, is the decision he made to shut down the yahoo system, and
auto transfer everyone to his new panotools.info system.
I agree with your statement that panotools.info can be a great resource, and
will indeed be much better suited to holding the info than the faq at yahoo,
but the complaint / concern wasn't voiced because of the simpleness of the
yahoo faq, or even the small holding size of the yahoo files repository, it
was the shutting down and moving of the yahoo email list itself which caused
the concern.
For me personally, my concern was that the egroup was in effect being
hijacked into johns personal website, away from the yahoo system, to me the
yahoo system is the buffer that allows the egroup to stay indipendant of any
commercial exploitation, I wouldnt suggest that John would contemplate such,
but in 2003 when he setup the egroup, i doupt john would have ever thought
he would setup panotools.info as an alternative future home, as you say
lists evolve, idea's change, with a group based on a gpl concept, yahoo
untill such time as the system changes, its rules change, or it charges such
that it is silly to stay put, should suffice.
I admire John for what he has done, and the idea's he has for the future of
the panotools group, I am sure that the panotools.info website will be a
great success, and end up the main source for panotools info, I respect him
more though for the fact that he has stood back, read, listened, and moved
his position on the yahoo egroup being closed and moved, I am sure many
people will share the same view.
Kevin, Congratulations on the delivery of your new 1800+ member, panotools
egroup baby.
I think you should still ask for other moderators though, that way It will
never be a burden, onhand babysitters are allways going to proove handy, for
those to many real life things to do days..
I look forward to what happens next, and will now i'm off to have a surf
round the panotools.info wiki to see whats new today.
Steven Dowd
----- Original Message -----
From: "anodyssey" <#removed#>
To: <#removed#>
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:04 AM
Subject: [PanoTools] [ANN] New PanoTools list moderator
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> At the request of several users and with John Spikowski's consent, I have
accepted the
> volunteer job as PanoTools list moderator & manager (i.e. list mom). John
and I will share
> the task of initial membership screening to prevent spammers from joining.
The list will
> continue as is on Yahoo for the foreseeable future and I have no intention
of changing how
> this list operates. Our list will continue to be a place to freely
exchange information and
> ideas on Panorama Tools and related topics in a courteous manner.
>
> As members of all lists realize, the actual members of a list always
changes. Members join
> to learn, pass on their knowledge to newbies and, more often than not,
lose interest in the
> list (but hopefully not the art) and either stop actively posting or drop
off the list. Only a
> small number of hard core users actively post for years on end. Probably
the biggest
> reason for members dropping out is that after answering the same questions
many times,
> any list starts repeating itself. In my opinion, this is where
panotools.info comes in.
>
> Yahoo's groups allow for a FAQ (frequently asked questions) section but a
simple FAQ
> doesn't do justice to all the tricks and tools and techniques that the
members of this
> group created over the years. There is a wealth of information out there
but no central
> location to learn how to find a nodal (entrance pupil) point, meter a
scene, blend multiple
> exposures, create a 16 bit layered Photoshop file, etc. A new user can
learn many tricks
> an techniques by going through our list archives but that is tedious at
best. A better
> solution is to build-up the panotools.info site to be a knowledge center
not only for
> PanoTools techniques but making it *the* place anyone doing a search for
"panorama
> creation tutorial" will find our little corner of the world.
>
> Building up the panotools.info site is in everyone's best interest but it
takes time, effort
> and some money. John has assured me that panotools.info will remain free
but everyone
> is urged to contribute as best they can by contributing a tutorial,
Photoshop action,
> graphic, translation, organizational skills, and even a few euros,
dollars, pesos, yuan, etc.
>
> Finally, our users are a diverse group and there is no possible way I, or
anyone, can make
> a decision that will please everyone but please be assured that I will
manage this list in a
> manner that I believe is in the best interest of the community as a whole.
John has done
> all of us a service in creating this list and deserves commendation for
doing so over the
> past few years. Let's all give John three cheers and move on.
>
> Regards, MfG, etc.
>
> Kevin Kratzke
> The new list mom
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