PanoTools:
Re: Re: Re: Re: PanoTools Funding Options
Roger D. Williams 2006-May-26 02:47:59
Ad hominem attacks, including such undeserved epithets as "whiner"
would have you immediately cautioned to avoid such language on
most lists to which I belong. On some of them you would be struck
off. John, I am most grateful for the existence of the Panotools
list, and to the extent that you are responsible I am most grateful
to you personally. But your attitude leaves a lot to be desired.
I find it quite unsuitable. If you can only reply to a carefully
reasoned and modest criticism like mine with insults then I will
have to change my opinion of you. And if you can only reply to a
well-intentioned offer to save you a major expense by point-blank
refusal to even consider the alternatives, then I question your
good sense or your good will or both.
In self defence I would say that where I feel I have a contribution
to make you will find me making it. The awesome expertise on this
list, from which I have so often benefited, means that I have much
less to contribute. Indeed, I expect to be on the receiving end for
years to come. But isn't the list as much for me, and others who
are trying to improve their skills, than for the experts? I see
most of the latter as hanging around here for what they can GIVE
rather than what they can GET. And they, not you personally, are
what make this list so wonderful.
Roger
On Thu, 25 May 2006 20:28:42 +0900, John Spikowski
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> Roger,
>
> I think your getting a bit carried away. It's amazing how the whiners on
> the
> list have plenty to say but nothing to contribute.
>
> John
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: #removed#
>> [mailto:#removed#] On Behalf Of
>> Roger D. Williams
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:13 AM
>> To: #removed#
>> Subject: [PanoTools] Re: Re: Re: PanoTools Funding Options
>>
>> On Thu, 25 May 2006 14:21:38 +0900, Bert Vierstra
>> <#removed#> wrote:
>>
>> > On 5/25/06, Roger D. Williams
>> > <#removed#> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Does this imply that three fully mirrored sites, mirroring
>> anything
>> >> and everything, have been set up for .org, .net and .com?
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> > There will be no mirrors, that useless, and search engine
>> wise not smart.
>>
>> Now THAT makes sense. But it certainly doesn't explain why
>> John mentions these "fully mirrored sites" as a reason for
>> getting an over-spec'd server.
>>
>> Can you explain the thinking? John is not the world's best
>> advocate of his own ideas. On this one I think he's painted
>> himself into a corner... stuck with an over-spec'd server and
>> forced to appeal for donations with the awful possibility
>> that if they are not forthcoming it will become uneconomic
>> for him to continue supporting the site. Really, a worst-case
>> scenario. It also echos concerns many of us had some time ago...
>>
>> Of course panotools.info is entirely John's "thing" until the
>> moment he appeals for money to pay for it. My feeling,
>> perhaps a little strange for a Brit, is that there should be
>> no payment (even voluntary) without complete openness, full
>> discussion of the options beforehand, and proper representation.
>>
>> In complete contrast, on the other hand...
>>
>> The panotools Yahoo list is not by any means John's personal
>> possession and any impression that it is should be promptly
>> squashed. I am sure that John would be the first to agree
>> that he does not own the list. This is surely a critically
>> important difference?
>>
>> I therefore think that it is better on Yahoo. It isn't
>> broken. Even if Yahoo start to roll over the oldest material,
>> it is still all available on gmane, so don't let's fix it.
>> OK? I think this far outweighs the possible advantages of
>> being able to search panotools.info and the list at the same time.
>>
>> But as for your description of how the server and the site
>> are working?
>> everythings seems to be exactly as it should be. Great job, Bert.
>>
>> Roger
>>
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