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Re: Re: OT - scanning black and white negatives
mrjimbo 2009-Nov-19 19:03:13
Robert,
It looks like your getting it figured out. Larger scans cost more as they take longer to do.. Most if not all inexpensive scans just don't represent the piece of film they were taken from.. Their are hundreds of people that provide that service.. I can't be one of them because of my commitment to quality and the image.
Regarding drum scanning... It actually way more then the drum scanner. You also have to have the software to go with it.. The software is typically several times what most people are willing to pay for a scanner and it's software. Then you have to learn how to use. Each scanner is a little different so you need to learn what it can and get do and how to get the maximum from it. It all takes time an is a serious committment..
jimbo
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From: robert_harshman
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:26 AM
Subject: [PanoToolsNG] Re: OT - scanning black and white negatives
Thanks Mr Jimbo,
You have confirmed what I thought, you still have to pay for quality or you get what you pay for :) Something we all see in photography time and time again, the cheap price usually means a sub par product.
If you want extremely high quality scans, say a 35mm 16bit at 8,000 ppi it's gonna cost you a bit more than $3-4.00 per scan, probably more in the range of $50.00 at minimum.
This is a drum scan and that means wet mounting. If you've never done that, then you can't really understand just how much time and care it takes and skill in setup and scan.
But this is the ultimate scan, really only needed if your planning to print large and as art or high quality commercial work.
And I'm sure Mr. Jimbo knows much better than me, but Luca, you are NOT going like the $ for a good drum scanner that works, just a clean drum - the clear plastic tube - and mounting station can run a $1,000. The scanners are still usually in the $6,000 and up range and it's pretty much down to Aztek as the maintenance and enhancement company, most scanner companies just like the ones that made darkroom equipment are out of business.
Regards,
Robert
--- In #removed#, "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@...> wrote:
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> Roger,
> Yes I do scanning. We have a Heidelberg Tango Drum scanner , an Aztek Hi Resolve drum scanner a Heidelberg Nexscan large format flat bet..(this is the successor to the Topaz / 5660 optical) and an LS 5000 & 9000.. Projects such as this would run the Nexscan. Yes we can wet mount but not for that price.. 8000 dpi yes but I would drum scan at that level. The pricing I typically charge for 4000 dpi when doing bulk scanning projects is 4.00 each for 8 bit scans. Yes I adjust every slide in the prescan state and make a tweak or two after scanning.. What I typically do is have a volume client supply a small batch .. we do those..This way they know what I provide and I learn what they expect.. So if they want dialed in scans spotted and ready to go the price goes up.. What I don't do it provide a 20.00 scan for 4.00.. I do provide a correct scan with good density that I've been told works. I'm a photographer still shooting some 35mm ( mostly digital for FX) and a fair amount of med format and also 4x5 and 8x10.
> I guess I should say .. I have no desire to be the worlds least costly or cheapest scanner service.. Scanning is something that I need for my own work and we provide it to our customers as part of a total service we provide..(we have a separate artist services business) We have several shooters that we work with an have worked with for some time.. jeeze I'll be scanning their stuff till I die.. LOL.. This whole thing of moving film to digital is a curve ball for all of us.. non of us can really afford to do it. I'm an ole guy...:-)) I have over 300k images in my files.. They'll never all be scanned..... and the truth is their all not equal so the scanning requirements change with the type or caliber of image.. ok now I'm rambling....sorry...
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> jimbo
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> From: Roger Howard
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [PanoToolsNG] Re: OT - scanning black and white negatives
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> On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:21 AM, robert_harshman wrote:
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> > --- In #removed#, "mrjimbo" <mrjimbo@> wrote:
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> > > Jeffrey,
> > > Pricing is pretty subjective depending upon where you are and if it's a hobbiest or a business that does them... realistically I would think in the area of 3.00 / 4.00 each by the time the dust settles for 4000 dpi scans off a proper scanner. Probably half that if it's off a LS 5000.
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> > MrJimbo,
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> > Do you do scanning? Will you do 4,000ppi scans with custom settings for $3.00USD per image? And what scanner will you be using that that's better than the LS-5000? Will you be wet mounting them? What would you charge for a 8,000 ppi scan?
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> > Just really curious as I find that price quite low. If you actually do quality scans for that price, or know of someone that does and I was looking to have a bunch of scans done I would jump on it.
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> I have personally overseen projects that did quality bulk outsourced scanning of 35mm negs and slides for under $4/per, though without individual, manual adjustments. We pre-sorted by era and film type, and isolated pieces which were in poor shape and would need real intervention, but beyond that we got excellent results in 16bit RGB TIFF at 4000dpi.
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> This was 5+ years ago so the vendor landscape has changed a lot, but I bet the quality (if you can find a vendor) is even better, and prices stable given that we're at the tail end of the scanning rush we saw in the early 2000s.
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> But no, I don't think $4/scan is unusually low - once you get into sub-$1/scan range it gets very iffy. Keep in mind, many of these shops are doing this work in India and are very capable (good equipment, skilled operators), but if you're nervous about shipping irreplaceable source material overseas that might be a concern.
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> -R
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