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Sender:Douglas L. Urner
Date/Time:2005-Jun-09 06:19:37
Subject:Re: Need help stitching my helicopter panorama!

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PanoTools: Re: Need help stitching my helicopter panorama! Douglas L. Urner 2005-Jun-09 06:19:37
I goofed on the price of a D70, actually they are only $75.  D100s  
which have a wired remote are the same price these days.

Doug
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Douglas L. Urner <#removed#> Port Orchard, WA  +1 360 769 5565


On Jun 8, 2005, at 11:04 :42, Douglas L. Urner wrote:

> Here's a thought.  Around here a D70 rents for around $150/day +
> about $20/day for a fisheye.  Perhaps you could build a simple mount
> for 4 D70s and dangle them below the hovering helicopter and trigger
> them with a remote (or use the 's' models instead and use a wired
> remote).  The camera rental would be about a wash with the helicopter
> time (assuming you only have on D70) and you'd be pretty sure to get
> a good sequence.  Paralax would only be due to the difference in
> camera positions (probably less than a foot).
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> If you did this, you'd probably be able to be way more productive
> with the chopper, so you could probably get quite a few different
> shots and you'd save a ton of stitching time.
>
> Doug
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> Douglas L. Urner <#removed#> Port Orchard, WA  +1 360 769 5565
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> On Jun 8, 2005, at 10:10 :42, Piotr Popik wrote:
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>> I wonder what the guys who did that sucessfully would say. Is the
>> use of
>> GPS critical? Was that due to the difficult conditions (like the  
>> wind,
>> etc)? Sounds like a tough job, anyway.
>> Reagrds, Piotr
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, James Coffee wrote:
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>>> If nothing else this thread is making me much more appreciative of
>>> shots taken from a helicopter.  I'm the kind of guy who when
>>> someone asks "can you do..." I say yes.  I hope no one asks me to
>>> photograph from a helicopter and then stitch.  I'll have to try to
>>> remember to say no.
>>>
>>> -Jim Coffee-
>>>
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: Edward Fink
>>>   To: #removed#
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:37 AM
>>>   Subject: RE: [PanoTools] Need help stitching my helicopter
>>> panorama!
>>>
>>>
>>>         Well, I got another chance at the helicopter panorama on
>>> Monday,
>>>   but so far I haven't had any better luck stitching than last week.
>>>
>>>         The helicopter company decided not give a discount for
>>> retakes -
>>>   it cost the same $500 per hour as the first time, so I STRONGLY
>>>   emphasized to the pilot AGAIN the need to maintain position.
>>>
>>>         We went with what we thought was the easiest, simplest way:
>>>   having the pilot pirouette in position while I sat behind him
>>> and leaned
>>>   out as far as I could, shooting continuously around the circle.
>>> We went
>>>   with Bernhard's suggestion to try and rotate as fast as
>>> possible, hoping
>>>   I could finish a set before he drifted too far.
>>>
>>>         We didn't move as much as last week, but we moved off
>>> center -
>>>   it looks our circle covered about a one block radius.  So far I
>>> haven't
>>>   got a good stitch out of it.
>>>
>>>         Out of desperation I finally used one of the photos as a  
>>> map,
>>>   and I drew arrows showing our location, and the direction the
>>> camera was
>>>   facing.  I made each arrow a separate Photoshop layer and named
>>> it the
>>>   same as the image name so I can use the map to select what
>>> images to
>>>   try.
>>>
>>>         That really helped a lot to understand our movement, and by
>>>   stacking up the different passes on top of each other I was able
>>> to find
>>>   some places where a shot from the second pass better matches
>>> something
>>>   on the first pass, and vice versa.
>>>
>>>         Unfortunately, I found at least a couple of places where I
>>> had
>>>   three of the compass points (4 shots with my D70/Sigma 8mm)
>>> fairly close
>>>   together, but then the shot for the last compass point was two
>>> blocks
>>>   away.  I haven't yet tried to stitch some of the new
>>> combinations that
>>>   I've found because of the map, but that's the next step.
>>>
>>>         It took many hours to create the map.  The hardest part
>>> for me,
>>>   without any flying experience, was looking at the images and
>>> trying to
>>>   figure out EXACTLY what the helicopter is over.  Sometimes I
>>> thought I
>>>   was looking at the west side of a building, but when I looked  
>>> again
>>>   later, I realized that it was just the shadow, and not the
>>> actual side
>>>   of the building, meaning I was really at least slightly east of  
>>> the
>>>   building instead of west.
>>>
>>>         The taller the building, the more perspective clues, but our
>>>   wide circle went over several parking lots and small buildings
>>> that make
>>>   it a lot harder to judge exactly where we were.
>>>
>>>         Anyway, I just thought I'd pass that info along while I
>>> continue
>>>   trying to stitch different combinations of the pictures.  If  
>>> anyone
>>>   wants to see the flattened version of my map with all the location
>>>   arrows to show how much the drift was, they're at:
>>>
>>>   http://new-eden.com/temp/MapLowPasses.jpg
>>>   http://new-eden.com/temp/MapHighPasses.jpg
>>>
>>>         We really want the lower altitude (2500') shots, be we tried
>>>   some at a higher altitude too, thinking that would give me more
>>> slack
>>>   even if the pilot drifted.  No such luck so far.
>>>
>>>   (The arrow point is the estimated helicopter position, the
>>> direction is
>>>   the camera direction. The really long arrows on the low altitude
>>> map
>>>   indicate nadir shots that don't extend to the horizon. It's
>>> faster to
>>>   draw a long arrow than change colors. The landing skids are so
>>> visible
>>>   in the nadirs that to use them you'd probably need a pair almost
>>>   perfectly 180 degree apart.)
>>>
>>>         Thanks again to everyone for the many tips and
>>> suggestions!  If
>>>   the client doesn't dump me instead of the pilot, I may
>>> eventually have a
>>>   chance to try ALL your suggestions!
>>>
>>>         If I get another pilot, I'd like to show him everyone's
>>>   suggestions and see what he'd prefer.
>>>
>>>         Right now my tentative plan, if I get a third chance, is
>>> to try
>>>   and take more responsibility instead of leaving so much to the
>>> pilot,
>>>   and put the camera on a pole horizontally and (hopefully)  
>>> rotate it
>>>   before the pilot can drift so far. (The way Willy shoots out  
>>> over a
>>>   railing.) I've got a heavy duty, 12' telescoping light stand,
>>> and I'm
>>>   going to stick my camera on that and do some tests out the
>>> window.  That
>>>   should also help me better deal with the landing skids.  This
>>> time I
>>>   leaned as far out as my seat belt would let me, then I held my
>>> camera
>>>   out as far as the neck strap would allow, and I STILL got a lot of
>>>   landing skid in the pictures.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Ed
>>>   #removed#
>>>   http://www.new-eden.com/
>>>   No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.
>>>   -- Jim Morrison --
>>>
>>>
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